<div dir="ltr"><div>hi again, martin,</div><div><br></div><div>regarding allocations on Taito, i feel we should separate the ‘general’ NLPL project (for which i am the principal investigator) from actual computation by project members at UiO. the former project (2000582, ‘NeIC-NLPL’) is what we use to control write access to the project directory. i would actually prefer to tighten access control a little, so as to reduce the risk of someone doing something by accident (e.g. a ‘pip install’ might end up dropping or updating add-on wheels into our shared modules below ‘/proj/nlpl/’). to be able to do that, i would like to ask for a separate project on Taito for computing by UiO users (and associates, alright, for the time being :-). is project creation something you could initiate for us? as for naming, my suggestion would be to start streamlining a little, i.e. use something like ‘NLPL: University of Oslo’ for our computing project (i am inclined to not include NeIC in the name, as NLPL is now headed for independence :-). and while we are at it, would it be feasible to rename some of the existing projects, e.g.</div><div><br></div><div>2000509: NLPL: Uppsala University</div><div>2000582: NLPL: Project Directory</div><div>2000661: NLPL: University of Helsinki<br></div><div>2000989: NLPL: University of Copenhagen</div><div>2001006: NLPL: IT University of Copenhagen</div><div><br></div><div>best wishes, und schoenes wochenende! oe</div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 10:36 AM Martin Matthiesen <<a href="mailto:martin.matthiesen@csc.fi" target="_blank">martin.matthiesen@csc.fi</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><div>Hallo Stephan,<br></div><div><br></div><hr id="gmail-m_6865860797650510223gmail-m_-6218966452627626151zwchr"><div><blockquote style="border-left:2px solid rgb(16,16,255);margin-left:5px;padding-left:5px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><b>From: </b>"Stephan Oepen" <<a href="mailto:oe@ifi.uio.no" target="_blank">oe@ifi.uio.no</a>><br><b>To: </b>"Martin Matthiesen" <<a href="mailto:martin.matthiesen@csc.fi" target="_blank">martin.matthiesen@csc.fi</a>><br><b>Sent: </b>Friday, 11 January, 2019 00:25:19<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [NLPL Task Force (A)] [NLPL Board] Statistics NLPL<br></blockquote></div><div><blockquote style="border-left:2px solid rgb(16,16,255);margin-left:5px;padding-left:5px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><div><div dir="auto">wow, danke! ich werde die analogie tabelle für Abel erstellen.</div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">aber was ist mit meinen leuten, farhad und eivind? auf welchem projekt rechnen die bisher? was soll ich tun, um ein projekt für UiO zu kriegen (unabhängig von den gruppe mit schreibrecht in /proj/nlpl/)?</div></blockquote><div>Du hast doch breits eins: <br></div><div><br></div><div><p></p><table class="gmail-m_6865860797650510223gmail-m_-6218966452627626151wikitable" border="1"><tbody><tr><th>Id</th><th>Project</th><th>Principal Investigator</th><th>Active Users 2017</th><th>Units 2017</th><th>Active Users 2018</th><th>Units 2018</th><th>Users 2019</th><th>Units 2019</th></tr><tr><td>2000582</td><td>Neic-NLPL</td><td>Stephan Oepen</td><td>-</td><td>-</td><td>3</td><td>62298</td><td></td><td></td></tr></tbody></table><p></p><div style="clear:both"><br></div><div style="clear:both">(Ich habe gerade bermerkt, das der Projektcode ein Cut&Paste-Fehler war, repariert: <a href="http://wiki.nlpl.eu/index.php?title=Infrastructure%2Fresources&diff=548&oldid=547" target="_blank">http://wiki.nlpl.eu/index.php?title=Infrastructure%2Fresources&diff=548&oldid=547</a>)<br></div><div style="clear:both"><br></div><div style="clear:both">Und genau dort rechnen Deine Leute auch (Robert ist der 3.):</div><div style="clear:both"><br></div><div style="clear:both">Stephan Oepen: 2000582(project_2000582, 22.03.2017-22.03.2019): NeIC-NLPL<br> Quota:610000 members:10 discipline:Tietojenkäsittely ja informaatiotieteet(Computer and information sciences)<br> Cost object code:<br> Description: Nordic Language Processing Laboratory (NLPL)<br> Project DN in LDAP: CN=Project_2000582,OU=Academic,OU=External,OU=Projects,ou=idm,dc=csc,dc=fi<br> Members: <br> oe(Stephan Oepen, <a href="mailto:oe@ifi.uio.no" target="_blank">oe@ifi.uio.no</a>)<br> farhadno(Farhad Nooralahzadeh, <a href="mailto:farhadno@ifi.uio.no" target="_blank">farhadno@ifi.uio.no</a>)<br> andreku(Andrey Kutuzov, <a href="mailto:andreku@ifi.uio.no" target="_blank">andreku@ifi.uio.no</a>)<br> tiedeman(Jörg Tiedemann, <a href="mailto:jorg.tiedemann@helsinki.fi" target="_blank">jorg.tiedemann@helsinki.fi</a>)<br> yvessche(Yves Scherrer, <a href="mailto:yves.scherrer@helsinki.fi" target="_blank">yves.scherrer@helsinki.fi</a>)<br> ginter(Filip Ginter, <a href="mailto:ginter@cs.utu.fi" target="_blank">ginter@cs.utu.fi</a>)<br> jmnybl(Jenna Kanerva, <a href="mailto:jmnybl@utu.fi" target="_blank">jmnybl@utu.fi</a>)<br> ramatara(Taraka Rama, <a href="mailto:tarakark@ifi.uio.no" target="_blank">tarakark@ifi.uio.no</a>)<br> rostling(Robert Östling, <a href="mailto:robert@ling.su.se" target="_blank">robert@ling.su.se</a>)<br> eibergem(Bergem Eivind Alexander, <a href="mailto:eivinabe@ifi.uio.no" target="_blank">eivinabe@ifi.uio.no</a>)</div></div><blockquote style="border-left:2px solid rgb(16,16,255);margin-left:5px;padding-left:5px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">gute nacht :-). oe</div></blockquote>Danke, bei uns ist es ja eine Stunde später :)</div><div><br></div><div>Martin<br><div><br></div><blockquote style="border-left:2px solid rgb(16,16,255);margin-left:5px;padding-left:5px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><div dir="auto"><br></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 at 13:39 Martin Matthiesen <<a href="mailto:martin.matthiesen@csc.fi" target="_blank">martin.matthiesen@csc.fi</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Hi Stephan and all,<br>
<br>
I now compiled the list and it looks indeed quite impressive, I must say:<br>
<br>
<a href="http://wiki.nlpl.eu/index.php/Infrastructure/resources#Taito_Usage_Statistics" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://wiki.nlpl.eu/index.php/Infrastructure/resources#Taito_Usage_Statistics</a><br>
<br>
We almost doubled the active users on Taito and increased the billing unit usage by 50%.<br>
<br>
Unfortunately there was quite a bit of cut and paste involved, so I hope I got the numbers right, we should run them past the involved parties.<br>
<br>
Martin<br>
<br>
-- <br>
Martin Matthiesen<br>
CSC - Tieteen tietotekniikan keskus<br>
CSC - IT Center for Science<br>
PL 405, 02101 Espoo, Finland<br>
+358 9 457 2376, <a href="mailto:martin.matthiesen@csc.fi" target="_blank">martin.matthiesen@csc.fi</a><br>
Public key : <a href="https://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x74B12876FD890704" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x74B12876FD890704</a><br>
Fingerprint: AA25 6F56 5C9A 8B42 009F BA70 74B1 2876 FD89 0704<br>
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----- Original Message -----<br>
> From: "Martin Matthiesen" <<a href="mailto:martin.matthiesen@csc.fi" target="_blank">martin.matthiesen@csc.fi</a>><br>
> To: "Stephan Oepen" <<a href="mailto:oe@ifi.uio.no" target="_blank">oe@ifi.uio.no</a>><br>
> Cc: "infrastructure" <<a href="mailto:infrastructure@nlpl.eu" target="_blank">infrastructure@nlpl.eu</a>><br>
> Sent: Thursday, 10 January, 2019 10:42:48<br>
> Subject: Re: [NLPL Task Force (A)] [NLPL Board] Statistics NLPL<br>
<br>
> Hi Stephan,<br>
> <br>
> I'll look into this later today, it is very possible that some projects fell<br>
> under the radar.<br>
> <br>
> Martin<br>
> <br>
> --<br>
> Martin Matthiesen<br>
> CSC - Tieteen tietotekniikan keskus<br>
> CSC - IT Center for Science<br>
> PL 405, 02101 Espoo, Finland<br>
> +358 9 457 2376, <a href="mailto:martin.matthiesen@csc.fi" target="_blank">martin.matthiesen@csc.fi</a><br>
> Public key : <a href="https://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x74B12876FD890704" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x74B12876FD890704</a><br>
> Fingerprint: AA25 6F56 5C9A 8B42 009F BA70 74B1 2876 FD89 0704<br>
> <br>
> ----- Original Message -----<br>
>> From: "Stephan Oepen" <<a href="mailto:oe@ifi.uio.no" target="_blank">oe@ifi.uio.no</a>><br>
>> To: "Martin Matthiesen" <<a href="mailto:martin.matthiesen@csc.fi" target="_blank">martin.matthiesen@csc.fi</a>><br>
>> Cc: "infrastructure" <<a href="mailto:infrastructure@nlpl.eu" target="_blank">infrastructure@nlpl.eu</a>><br>
>> Sent: Wednesday, 9 January, 2019 15:32:06<br>
>> Subject: Re: [NLPL Board] Statistics NLPL<br>
> <br>
>> hi martin,<br>
>> <br>
>> i feel it will be good for us to document HPC usage by NLPL<br>
>> researchers better. among others things, this will help, i hope, to<br>
>> argue with the national providers for continued resource sharing past<br>
>> the current NLPL project duration.<br>
>> <br>
>> your message below is the closes i can find to a year-end summary for<br>
>> 2017, but truth be told i am still unsure how to extract the total<br>
>> number of billing units used per year from that statistics? could you<br>
>> help provide those year totals, for both 2017 and 2018?<br>
>> <br>
>> i have started a summary table here:<br>
>> <br>
>> <a href="http://wiki.nlpl.eu/index.php/Infrastructure/resources#Taito_Usage_Statistics" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://wiki.nlpl.eu/index.php/Infrastructure/resources#Taito_Usage_Statistics</a><br>
>> <br>
>> also, i feel we are missing a few projects, e.g. for the university of<br>
>> copenhagen (anders) and ITU copenhagen (leon)? and what about the UiO<br>
>> users, e.g. farhad and eivind? i assume that a separate UiO project<br>
>> had been created under the NLPL umbrella (in addition to project<br>
>> 2000582, which is what we use solely to administer file and directory<br>
>> permissions)? but i am not seeing such a project in my project owner<br>
>> summary on ‘<a href="http://sui.csc.fi" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">sui.csc.fi</a>’.<br>
>> <br>
>> with thanks in advance, oe<br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 12:26 PM Martin Matthiesen<br>
>> <<a href="mailto:martin.matthiesen@csc.fi" target="_blank">martin.matthiesen@csc.fi</a>> wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>> Hello,<br>
>>><br>
>>> Here the current stats of 26.2.18 with Jörg's and Filips projects. For technical<br>
>>> reasons the two lists (Projects/Quota Details) overlap a bit in information.<br>
>>> Let me know if only one is enough.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Regards,<br>
>>> Martin<br>
>>><br>
>>> Projects:<br>
>>><br>
>>> Joakim Nivre: 2000509(project_2000509, 04.01.2017-31.12.2019): Deep learning for<br>
>>> Natural Language Processing (NeIC-NLPL)<br>
>>> Quota:644901 members:10 discipline:Kielitieteet(Languages)<br>
>>> Stephan Oepen: 2000582(project_2000582, 22.03.2017-22.03.2019): NeIC-NLPL<br>
>>> Quota:10000 members:11 discipline:Tietojenkäsittely ja<br>
>>> informaatiotieteet(Computer and information sciences)<br>
>>> Jörg Tiedemann: 2000661(project_2000661, 09.06.2017-09.06.2018): NLPL-OPUS<br>
>>> Quota:280901 members:2 discipline:Kielitieteet(Languages)<br>
>>> Bjorn Lindi: 2000760(project_2000760, 09.10.2017-09.10.2019): Nordic Language<br>
>>> Processing Lab (NLPL)<br>
>>> Quota:10000 members:1 discipline:Kielitieteet(Languages)<br>
>>> Jörg Tiedemann: 2000288(project_2000288, 29.03.2016-29.03.2017): BAULT<br>
>>> Quota:9008 members:8 discipline:Kielitieteet(Languages)<br>
>>> Jörg Tiedemann: 2000309(project_2000309, 28.04.2016-28.04.2019): CrossNLP<br>
>>> Quota:470087 members:14 discipline:Muu tekniikka(Other engineering and<br>
>>> technologies)<br>
>>> Filip Ginter: tuy4622(textdat, 07.04.2005-15.03.2019): Textual Data Mining for<br>
>>> Bioinformation Management<br>
>>> Quota:291203 members:10 discipline:Biotieteet(Biological sciences)<br>
>>> Filip Ginter: 2000391(project_2000391, 23.08.2016-10.01.2019): TurkuNLP EDU<br>
>>> Quota:101324 members:2 discipline:Tietojenkäsittely ja<br>
>>> informaatiotieteet(Computer and information sciences)<br>
>>><br>
>>> Quota details:<br>
>>><br>
>>> Project 2000509 Deep learning for Natural Language Processing (NeIC-NLPL)<br>
>>> Joakim Nivre<br>
>>> start 04.01.2017 end: 31.12.2019 budget: 30.08.2017<br>
>>> CSC budget: 644901 used: 28978 remain: 615923<br>
>>> -----------------------------------------------------------------<br>
>>> Project 2000582 NeIC-NLPL Stephan Oepen<br>
>>> start 22.03.2017 end: 22.03.2019 budget: 22.03.2017<br>
>>> CSC budget: 10000 used: 0 remain: 10000<br>
>>> -----------------------------------------------------------------<br>
>>> Project 2000661 NLPL-OPUS Jörg Tiedemann<br>
>>> start 09.06.2017 end: 09.06.2018 budget: 14.12.2017<br>
>>> CSC budget: 280901 used: 35946 remain: 244955<br>
>>> -----------------------------------------------------------------<br>
>>> Project 2000760 Nordic Language Processing Lab (NLPL) Bjorn Lindi<br>
>>> start 09.10.2017 end: 09.10.2019 budget: 09.10.2017<br>
>>> CSC budget: 10000 used: 0 remain: 10000<br>
>>> -----------------------------------------------------------------<br>
>>> Project 2000288 BAULT Jörg Tiedemann<br>
>>> start 29.03.2016 end: 29.03.2017 budget: 29.03.2016<br>
>>> CSC budget: 9008 used: 7089 remain: 1919<br>
>>> -----------------------------------------------------------------<br>
>>> Project 2000309 CrossNLP Jörg Tiedemann<br>
>>> start 28.04.2016 end: 28.04.2019 budget: 21.02.2018<br>
>>> CSC budget: 470087 used: 196167 remain: 273920<br>
>>> -----------------------------------------------------------------<br>
>>> Project 2000391 TurkuNLP EDU Filip Ginter<br>
>>> start 23.08.2016 end: 10.01.2019 budget: 10.01.2018<br>
>>> CSC budget: 101324 used: 26961 remain: 74363<br>
>>> -----------------------------------------------------------------<br>
>>> Project tuy4622 Textual Data Mining for Bioinformation Management Filip Ginter<br>
>>> start 07.04.2005 end: 15.03.2019 budget: 19.02.2018<br>
>>> CSC budget: 291203 used: 99657 remain: 191546<br>
>>> -----------------------------------------------------------------<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> --<br>
>>> Martin Matthiesen<br>
>>> CSC - Tieteen tietotekniikan keskus<br>
>>> CSC - IT Center for Science<br>
>>> PL 405, 02101 Espoo, Finland<br>
>>> +358 9 457 2376, <a href="mailto:martin.matthiesen@csc.fi" target="_blank">martin.matthiesen@csc.fi</a><br>
>>> Public key : <a href="https://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x74B12876FD890704" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x74B12876FD890704</a><br>
>>> Fingerprint: AA25 6F56 5C9A 8B42 009F BA70 74B1 2876 FD89 0704<br>
>>><br>
>>> ----- Original Message -----<br>
>>> > From: "Jörg Tiedemann" <<a href="mailto:jorg.tiedemann@helsinki.fi" target="_blank">jorg.tiedemann@helsinki.fi</a>><br>
>>> > To: "Stephan Oepen" <<a href="mailto:oe@ifi.uio.no" target="_blank">oe@ifi.uio.no</a>><br>
>>> > Cc: "Martin Matthiesen" <<a href="mailto:martin.matthiesen@csc.fi" target="_blank">martin.matthiesen@csc.fi</a>>, "board" <<a href="mailto:board@nlpl.eu" target="_blank">board@nlpl.eu</a>><br>
>>> > Sent: Friday, 23 February, 2018 21:58:25<br>
>>> > Subject: Re: [NLPL Board] Statistics NLPL<br>
>>><br>
>>> > Just a note: I already had to extend the NLPL-OPUS project once last year<br>
>>> > because I was running out of the initial hours.<br>
>>> ><br>
>>> > Jörg<br>
>>> ><br>
>>> >> On 23 Feb 2018, at 20.48, Stephan Oepen <<a href="mailto:oe@ifi.uio.no" target="_blank">oe@ifi.uio.no</a>> wrote:<br>
>>> >><br>
>>> >> many thanks, martin!<br>
>>> >><br>
>>> >> to complement the NLPL-specific numbers, i think it would also be<br>
>>> >> valid to consider the usage of joerg and filip on their non-NLPL<br>
>>> >> projects (and likewise for our group in oslo on Abel). unless joerg<br>
>>> >> or filip object, could you pull out those additional numbers too?<br>
>>> >><br>
>>> >> seeing as we are far from using up our NLPL allocations, arguably we<br>
>>> >> should all charge all our computing to NLPL accounts?<br>
>>> >><br>
>>> >> best, oe<br>
>>> >><br>
>>> >><br>
>>> >> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 8:42 PM, Martin Matthiesen<br>
>>> >> <<a href="mailto:martin.matthiesen@csc.fi" target="_blank">martin.matthiesen@csc.fi</a>> wrote:<br>
>>> >>> Hello,<br>
>>> >>><br>
>>> >>> It seems these statistics were never sent and kept in my drafts folder. This<br>
>>> >>> reflects the situation in January of the NLPL Project at CSC.<br>
>>> >>><br>
>>> >>> Have a nice weekend!<br>
>>> >>> Martin<br>
>>> >>><br>
>>> >>><br>
>>> >>><br>
>>> >>> "Projects:"<br>
>>> >>><br>
>>> >>> Joakim Nivre: 2000509(project_2000509, 04.01.2017-31.12.2019): Deep learning for<br>
>>> >>> Natural Language Processing (NeIC-NLPL)<br>
>>> >>> Quota:644901 members:10 discipline:Kielitieteet(Languages)<br>
>>> >>> Stephan Oepen: 2000582(project_2000582, 22.03.2017-22.03.2019): NeIC-NLPL<br>
>>> >>> Quota:10000 members:11 discipline:Tietojenkäsittely ja<br>
>>> >>> informaatiotieteet(Computer and information sciences)<br>
>>> >>> Jörg Tiedemann: 2000661(project_2000661, 09.06.2017-09.06.2018): NLPL-OPUS<br>
>>> >>> Quota:280901 members:2 discipline:Kielitieteet(Languages)<br>
>>> >>> Bjorn Lindi: 2000760(project_2000760, 09.10.2017-09.10.2019): Nordic Language<br>
>>> >>> Processing Lab (NLPL)<br>
>>> >>> Quota:10000 members:1 discipline:Kielitieteet(Languages)<br>
>>> >>><br>
>>> >>> These are stats from 1.1.2018:<br>
>>> >>><br>
>>> >>> Project 2000509 Deep learning for Natural Language Processing (NeIC-NLPL)<br>
>>> >>> Joakim Nivre<br>
>>> >>> start 04.01.2017 end: 31.12.2019 budget: 30.08.2017<br>
>>> >>> CSC budget: 644901 used: 14379 remain: 630522<br>
>>> >>> -----------------------------------------------------------------<br>
>>> >>> Project 2000582 NeIC-NLPL Stephan Oepen<br>
>>> >>> start 22.03.2017 end: 22.03.2019 budget: 22.03.2017<br>
>>> >>> CSC budget: 10000 used: 0 remain: 10000<br>
>>> >>> -----------------------------------------------------------------<br>
>>> >>> Project 2000661 NLPL-OPUS Jörg Tiedemann<br>
>>> >>> start 09.06.2017 end: 09.06.2018 budget: 14.12.2017<br>
>>> >>> CSC budget: 280901 used: 18624 remain: 262277<br>
>>> >>> -----------------------------------------------------------------<br>
>>> >>> Project 2000760 Nordic Language Processing Lab (NLPL) Bjorn Lindi<br>
>>> >>> start 09.10.2017 end: 09.10.2019 budget: 09.10.2017<br>
>>> >>> CSC budget: 10000 used: 0 remain: 10000<br>
>>> >>> -----------------------------------------------------------------<br>
>>> >>><br>
>>> >>><br>
>>> >>><br>
>>> >>><br>
>>> >>> --<br>
>>> >>> Martin Matthiesen<br>
>>> >>> CSC - Tieteen tietotekniikan keskus<br>
>>> >>> CSC - IT Center for Science<br>
>>> >>> PL 405, 02101 Espoo, Finland<br>
>>> >>> +358 9 457 2376, <a href="mailto:martin.matthiesen@csc.fi" target="_blank">martin.matthiesen@csc.fi</a><br>
>>> >>> Public key : <a href="https://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x74B12876FD890704" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x74B12876FD890704</a><br>
>>> >>> Fingerprint: AA25 6F56 5C9A 8B42 009F BA70 74B1 2876 FD89 0704<br>
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